In mid-stream / प्रकृति, विकृति और संस्कृति

In mid-stream / प्रकृति, विकृति और संस्कृति
Not only of प्रकृति, विकृति और संस्कृति but the stability and preserving the society as well. Suppose this is accepted, What price the society will have to pay for this? Should 'marriage' be abolished'? Should there be new 'marriage-laws'? And the core question is what of the structure of family. Some people have an incestuous orientation also. Should that be allowed? The whole thing looks like written by a immature and even perverted mind. I can discuss at length what is the stance of Hindu / Sanatana-dharma view upon sex and sexuality. Sex was never condemned nor suppressed in Sanantana-dharma. Nor mocked or ridiculed.. They have a very pragmatic approach towards the orientation of individual and his / her place in the society. There is vAma-tantra, and that too is ONLY for those who have no condemnation / suppression / sense of gratification in the sexual behavior of any kind. And that is not compulsory, but only for those who are 'adhikari' / 'pAtra'. VatsyAyana wrote the famous treatise on sex-behavior and was a brahmachArI. This 'brahmacarya is not an imposed discipline but the maturity of mind when one has attained a so pure state of mind and understanding that it becomes the 'orientation' . For such people 'sex' becomes just absurd. They are not for or against sex. Such people have their mind duly settled in 'Brahman' and though sometimes they may indulge in sexual activity because of injunctions laid down by Shastra - as a grihastha is, they don't sway away from that understanding even for a second.
Questioner :
Agreed with everything other than "...even perverted mind." ..
I think talking about sexual orientation and sex can be two different things..
Me :
By 'pervert' / 'perverted' I meant lacking clarity. And that is because man is born as such and one needs to do a lot of 'tapas' to grasp this fundamental error.
Bhagvadgita 
7/27
अध्याय 7, श्लोक 27,

इच्छाद्वेषसमुत्थेन द्वन्द्वमोहेन भारत ।
सर्वभूतानि सम्मोहं सर्गे यान्ति परन्तप ॥
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(इच्छाद्वेषसमुत्थेन द्वन्द्वमोहेन भारत ।
सर्वभूतानि सम्मोहम् सर्गे यान्ति परन्तप ॥)
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भावार्थ :
हे भारत (अर्जुन) ! संसार में अपने जन्म ही से, संसार में सम्पूर्ण प्राणी, इच्छा तथा द्वेष से उत्पन्न हो रहे सुख-दुःख आदि द्वन्द्वों से विभ्रम को प्राप्त हो रहे हैं ।
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Chapter 7, śloka 27,

icchādveṣasamutthena
dvandvamohena bhārata |
sarvabhūtāni sammohaṃ
sarge yānti parantapa ||
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(icchādveṣasamutthena
dvandvamohena bhārata |
sarvabhūtāni sammoham
sarge yānti parantapa ||)
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O bhārata (arjuna) !, from the very birth all beings are subject to delusion caused by the dualities like desire and envy, pleasure and pain.
So it is not my prejudiced view, but Gita tells us so! No one is esception, till one has gone through this point with keen attention.
Questioner ....
But your post will not attract those who are really honest and keen on understanding the key-points. Because of their own 'orientation'. And that will not invite a healthy discussion but rather a prejudiced confused tirade of irrational views may be supported by 'scriptures' and refuted in the same way.
Me :
But your post will not attract those who are really honest and keen on understanding the key-points. Because of their own 'orientation'. And that will not invite a healthy discussion but rather a prejudiced confused tirade of irrational views may be supported by 'scriptures' and refuted in the same way.
Questioner :
Yes, but that's already happening all over. Plus, we are not addressing only LGBTQIA issues under the sexuality program..we understand that talking about sexuality means talking about all its aspects.
Me. :
 I doubt if there will be any worthwhile consequence. This needs to be understood first at the individual level and then only could be talked about with others. Who has time and inclination, leave alone the devotion to understand Gita, and the other texts? 'kAma' is but one of the 4 'puruShArtha' for human good (shreyas) . And unless 'kAma' is given that place, no discussion or debate is going to yield any favorable conclusion acceptable to all.
Questioner :
abhi itna gahre utarne mein logon ko thoda samay lagega...
Me. :
There is no question of entering into deeper level. This whole exercise looks so foolish to me. Average man and intellectuals more so even if they have acquired name and status (like those who are returning their 'awards' Sahitya Academy) are utterly confused and the whole film television / entertainment industry is destroying the minds of the next generations. They are inclined to destroy the whole society. Here or at any other place on earth. One can but sure work on finding out an answer to these questions in one's own heart. I don't see that is possible in the present conditions at the level of a group, how-soever learned / educated in the formal sense. In my view as Gita points out : 'Man behaves accordingly as is prompted by one's 'prakrati'.
अध्याय 3, श्लोक 33,

सदृशं चेष्टते स्वस्याः प्रकृतेर्ज्ञानवानपि ।
प्रकृतिं यान्ति भूतानि निग्रहः किं करिष्यति ॥
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(सदृशम् चेष्टते स्वस्याः प्रकृतेः ज्ञानवान् अपि ।
प्रकृतिम् यान्ति भूतानि निग्रहम् किम् करिष्यति॥)
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भावार्थ : ज्ञानवान पुरुष भी अपनी प्रकृति (जन्म-जात तीनों गुणों के मिश्रित प्रभाव से होनेवाली प्रेरणा) के अनुसार कार्य करने में प्रवृत्त होता है । समस्त प्राणी प्रकृति की ही ओर उन्मुख होकर तदनुसार व्यवहार करते हैं, उससे अन्य तरह का आचरण करने का हठ कोई कैसे कर सकता है?
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Chapter 3, śloka 33,

sadṛśaṃ ceṣṭate svasyāḥ
prakṛterjñānavānapi |
prakṛtiṃ yānti bhūtāni
nigrahaḥ kiṃ kariṣyati ||
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(sadṛśam ceṣṭate svasyāḥ
prakṛteḥ jñānavān api |
prakṛtim yānti bhūtāni
nigraham kim kariṣyati||)
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Meaning :
Even the wise tend to perform actions according to their inherent natural tendencies (the inclinations as they have, prompted by the combined effects of the three attributes (guṇa) of manifestation ('prakṛti'). How can one, go against them?
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